In our second hour, we hear the Q & A session which followed his lecture. E. F. Schumacher specifically mentions television as the number one consumer of people's time, explaining why so few seem to have time for meaningful action. He also recalls Illich's noting that the modern world is eroding people's personal capacity to cope with life, and concludes by passionately challenging the notion of 'evolution' as a complete explanation for life.
Next we hear chapter 5 of Ivan Illich's Deschooling Society, Irrational Consistencies, in which Illich exposes the fake nature of the 'school reform' dichotomy, and suggests a more radical reform that asks not how schools can be made more effective at stuffing the heads of the young with their elders' ideas, but which asks why on earth should they?
Next another 5 minutes from Gatto's earlier speech, before we expand on one of the points made casually by Gatto to hear from retired Brigadier General Steve Anderson on the $20,000,000,000 spent annually by the US military to aircondition tents and other uninsulated temporary buildings.