Following is SchNEWS from Friday 8th September 2006, Issue 559 and it's article on 9/11 and after that a reply from David Shalyer who is attacked in the article.
M6 Northbound Junction 32-33 (7-9-06)
TRUTH-ACHE
On the fifth anniversary, SchNEWS gingerly dips a toe into the murky waters of the great 9-11 debate...
It’s the big fight over ‘the truth’. In the blue corner we have the US government’s official version of 9-11 events and in all the other corners we have proponents of various ‘conspiracy’ theories. But in these days of governments caught telling outright lies about WMDs etc, and a massive groundswell of cynicism about any official pronouncement - just what is a conspiracy theory? What happens when ‘common sense’ is hijacked and the fringe goes mainstream? And does it matter anyway?
The self-proclaimed 9-11 truth movement, in many ways a genuine grassroots movement (or cult?), is growing and its ideas are gradually filtering into the mainstream. No anti-war event is complete now without a new 9-11 conspiracy DVD and flyers to some new talk / book launch - and our inbox often overflows with new ‘revelations’. Every possible, and some quite impossible angles are covered - from the relatively mainstream question marks hanging over the US administration’s possible advance knowledge of the plot, to off-planet assertions about holograms, missiles and alien DNA. This kind of thing will always delight the ‘Elvis faked the moon landings with a black helicopter’ Internet crowd, but with polls showing that a third of Americans and nearly half of New Yorkers believing US officials either knew about the attacks or were actively involved, this represents a major uprising of disbelief. This has forced the US govt into producing a series of rebuttals, asserting their ‘truth’ and challenging the accusations.
The two main strands of theorising could be summed up as “they knew in advance” and “the whole thing was faked”. At the more plausible end we have the idea that the Neo-Cons had anticipated or were complicit in the events of 9-11. In any case, the event enabled them to put into practice an agenda for global domination hatched years before. It is all laid out in the year 2000 paper, ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’ published by the Project for a New American Century, a think-tank whose members included Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz (See SchNEWS 387). It talked about the fact that a “catastrophic and catalyzing event - a new Pearl Harbor” would be needed to transform the public’s attitude to war. Certainly there were no flies on the Cheney-Bush axis when it came to taking advantage of 9-11’s propaganda value, and even now Bush routinely invokes it as an emblem of America’s need to be militarily aggressive.
At the other end of the reality spectrum, are those that are sure that all the buildings were pre-primed with explosives, that all the Jews who worked there were given advanced warning, that the planes never existed and were in fact holograms disguising missiles etc etc. The trouble with all these theories is that they require mind-boggling numbers of people to have been ‘in on it’. It seems unlikely that the clique responsible for the disaster in Iraq could have organised something so slickly. And why would they need to go to the trouble? Two planes striking the towers would have been more than enough to serve as the big catalytic terrorist event... And if you were orchestrating the whole thing, why bother faking it with missiles or holograms anyway? Just use real planes... much simpler.
Perhaps this is why too much speculation on these points leads inevitably to a paranoiac world view where only secret cabals who control everything from behind the scenes could pull the wool over everone’s eyes in such an all-encompassing way.
SHAYLER TRASH
The ‘truths’ arrived at by some of these theories are so way out there, we began to wonder if they’d been spread deliberately to sow confusion, making it easier for the authorities to discredit the whole 9-11 debate by association. Conspiracy on conspiracy – where does it end?
There’s no doubt that big questions about the role of the US government remain unanswered (for example, relationships with Saudi elites), but it seems they’re in danger of being drowned out by the clamour of outright lunacy.
Poster-boy of the UK branch of the 9-11 Truth movement is former MI5 agent David Shayler. An acknowledged ‘insider’, he must have seemed a great asset to the fraternity. But at the Big Green Gathering this year, SchNEWS were confronted with the spectacle of a man who appeared to have swallowed and regurgitated the entire works of David “blame the lizards” Icke. No stone was left turned, no subject demystified as Dave told us how aliens have been negotiating with our government and 500 abductees are the only people who’ve got any real idea about all this 9-11 stuff. That includes 7/7 and 11/7 (date of Mumbai bombings by the way) - all evidence of an underground plot by a ‘shadow Zionist secret government’. Amongst other interesting points conjured forth were that the Royal family is descended from multi-dimensional Annunaki lizards (and ‘flaws’ in evolutionary theory prove it!) Riveting though this stuff is, it is, unfortunately, a load of bollocks.
On the other hand, the documented existence of a shadow world of CIA mounted black-ops and coups makes the idea that 9-11 was a ‘false flag’ operation seem within the realms of possibility. American intelligence has a long and bloody history of covert operations, instigating coups and funding opposition against those that challenge their authority. Coups such as the one on the less well remembered September 11th - 1973, when the CIA helped overthrow the democratically elected leader of Chile, Salvador Allende, and usher in a brutal military dictatorship. Doubts over 9-11, the cornerstone of the US’s ideological crusade, make it easier to appreciate that it’s just all in a days work for the US to fund and arm people like Saddam and the anti-Soviet forces in Afghanistan, which gave rise to Al-Qaeda.
The fact that these theories are catching on so widely is partly due to the huge growth of scepticism about the role of governments in the entire War on Terror™. In this country we already know that our government plotted the war on Iraq well in advance, lied about Iraq’s WMDs and engaged in a systematic propaganda campaign to support the invasion. We know that our government, in alliance with the US, is engaged in secret renditions, torture and aggressive war. Public awareness of the true nature of power has probably never been higher - and the fact that so many are willing to believe that the US government may have slaughtered its own citizens shows how the ideological ground is shifting. It’s not, in the end, the truth of the allegations but the effect they’re having that’s important.
The 9-11 truth movement clearly sees the anti-war crowd as fertile recruiting ground (maybe we should return the compliment). They argue that proving 9-11 a hoax should be the main focus of any faction opposing the Neo-Con-men. But in reality, whether or not 9-11 was orchestrated, we should be concentrating on the broader US-led capitalist agendas, and their catastrophic consequences. 9-11 was a symptom rather than a cause of a ‘big picture’ which doesn’t need science fiction to explain it. World power is not a neat pyramid structure with aliens, Jews or a cabal of men with a secret handshake at the top. It makes more sense to see a range of competing power blocks, alliances and cartels in a shifting, perpetual power play – with governments, nationalist and business interests doing what they’ve always done, battling for control of land, resources, workforces and populations. There is one conspiracy that doesn’t lurk in smoky rooms behind closed doors – it’s called global capitalism.
JUMP IN AT THE DEEP END...
** www.911truth.org ** www.911research.com ** www.whatreallyhappened.com/inside.html ** ** www.letsroll911.org ** ** Watch the movie made by an amateur on no budget: www.loosechange911.com ** For the British perspective see - www.nineeleven.co.uk and www.whatreallyhappened.com/london_exercise_video.html **
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There are some inaccuracies in the Schnews article, which I feel I must correct as they appear to be designed to undermine my position in the 9/11 Truth network.
"No stone was left turned, no subject demystified as Dave told us how aliens have been negotiating with our government and 500 abductees are the only people who've got any real idea about all this 9-11 stuff."
I have never said any of the above or anything remotely like it.
That includes 7/7 and 11/7 (date of Mumbai bombings by the way) - all
evidence of an underground plot by a 'shadow Zionist secret
government'.
After leaving office, President Theodore Roosevelt drew attention to the existence of a shadow or invisible government, based on his experience in office. Most obviously this is a conspiracy of hyper-capitalist interests like the oil industry and the arms industry and the Federal Reserve, a cabal of private banks who control the money flow and therefore the world's economy.
Are Schnews trying to tell us that the Zionists and the State of Israel play no part in the disintegration of a peaceful world? We only have to look at how Israel has largely got away with its assault on Lebanon to realise that is the case.
I hope Schnews journalists haven't made the mistake of the capitalist press and ventured opinions on subjects they have not researched, just for their own propaganda. There are a number of unanswered questions about 7/7, detailed in Mind the Gap.
"Amongst other interesting points conjured forth were
that the Royal family is descended from multi-dimensional Annunaki
lizards (and 'flaws' in evolutionary theory prove it!) Riveting
though this stuff is, it is, unfortunately, a load of bollocks. "
I didn't say the above either, although I have on occasions mentioned that David Icke has talked about this. It is not my view. On macro-evolution, Charles Darwin said that his hypothesis on the mutation of species would stand or fall on the discovery of fossils proving this. After 150 years of looking, not a single fossil has been found to support this hypothesis.
I've been to prison twice for my beliefs, been subject to what appear to be three attempts on my life in suspicious car accidents and find myself blacklisted -- all for standing up for the truth and exposing the intelligence services. If Schnews had campaigned in support of my efforts to expose the evil at the heart of the secret state, rather than custard pie-ing me the evening I received an award from Privacy International for my work defending civil liberties [Note: I added this - Annie], then several thousand innocent Afghans and over 100,000 innocent Iraqis might not be dead.
Until the truth of 9/11 and other false flag operations are exposed, the shadow government will continue to murder in the name of profit and pervert the democratic process through its ownership of the media and control of political parties by donation.
So why is Schnews spreading inaccuracies which work in the interests of this shadow elite at the very time we should be uniting to expose this evil? Why are they denying the existence of Zionism and attacking those risking death to expose the truth about MI5, MI6, Mossad and the CIA, especially when the evidence for that truth is overwhelming?
We need to learn the lessons of the failure of the mainstream and alternative left over the last 25 years, otherwise the innocent will continue to die. In that vein, I ask Schnews to come to any of our events to find out the truth and welcome working with all those who are trying to expose the New World Order or Capitalist elite, whatever you want to call them.
Dave Shayler
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=3751
On the fifth anniversary, SchNEWS gingerly dips a toe into the murky waters of the great 9-11 debate...
It’s the big fight over ‘the truth’. In the blue corner we have the US government’s official version of 9-11 events and in all the other corners we have proponents of various ‘conspiracy’ theories. But in these days of governments caught telling outright lies about WMDs etc, and a massive groundswell of cynicism about any official pronouncement - just what is a conspiracy theory? What happens when ‘common sense’ is hijacked and the fringe goes mainstream? And does it matter anyway?
The self-proclaimed 9-11 truth movement, in many ways a genuine grassroots movement (or cult?), is growing and its ideas are gradually filtering into the mainstream. No anti-war event is complete now without a new 9-11 conspiracy DVD and flyers to some new talk / book launch - and our inbox often overflows with new ‘revelations’. Every possible, and some quite impossible angles are covered - from the relatively mainstream question marks hanging over the US administration’s possible advance knowledge of the plot, to off-planet assertions about holograms, missiles and alien DNA. This kind of thing will always delight the ‘Elvis faked the moon landings with a black helicopter’ Internet crowd, but with polls showing that a third of Americans and nearly half of New Yorkers believing US officials either knew about the attacks or were actively involved, this represents a major uprising of disbelief. This has forced the US govt into producing a series of rebuttals, asserting their ‘truth’ and challenging the accusations.
The two main strands of theorising could be summed up as “they knew in advance” and “the whole thing was faked”. At the more plausible end we have the idea that the Neo-Cons had anticipated or were complicit in the events of 9-11. In any case, the event enabled them to put into practice an agenda for global domination hatched years before. It is all laid out in the year 2000 paper, ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’ published by the Project for a New American Century, a think-tank whose members included Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz (See SchNEWS 387). It talked about the fact that a “catastrophic and catalyzing event - a new Pearl Harbor” would be needed to transform the public’s attitude to war. Certainly there were no flies on the Cheney-Bush axis when it came to taking advantage of 9-11’s propaganda value, and even now Bush routinely invokes it as an emblem of America’s need to be militarily aggressive.
At the other end of the reality spectrum, are those that are sure that all the buildings were pre-primed with explosives, that all the Jews who worked there were given advanced warning, that the planes never existed and were in fact holograms disguising missiles etc etc. The trouble with all these theories is that they require mind-boggling numbers of people to have been ‘in on it’. It seems unlikely that the clique responsible for the disaster in Iraq could have organised something so slickly. And why would they need to go to the trouble? Two planes striking the towers would have been more than enough to serve as the big catalytic terrorist event... And if you were orchestrating the whole thing, why bother faking it with missiles or holograms anyway? Just use real planes... much simpler.
Perhaps this is why too much speculation on these points leads inevitably to a paranoiac world view where only secret cabals who control everything from behind the scenes could pull the wool over everone’s eyes in such an all-encompassing way.
SHAYLER TRASH
The ‘truths’ arrived at by some of these theories are so way out there, we began to wonder if they’d been spread deliberately to sow confusion, making it easier for the authorities to discredit the whole 9-11 debate by association. Conspiracy on conspiracy – where does it end?
There’s no doubt that big questions about the role of the US government remain unanswered (for example, relationships with Saudi elites), but it seems they’re in danger of being drowned out by the clamour of outright lunacy.
Poster-boy of the UK branch of the 9-11 Truth movement is former MI5 agent David Shayler. An acknowledged ‘insider’, he must have seemed a great asset to the fraternity. But at the Big Green Gathering this year, SchNEWS were confronted with the spectacle of a man who appeared to have swallowed and regurgitated the entire works of David “blame the lizards” Icke. No stone was left turned, no subject demystified as Dave told us how aliens have been negotiating with our government and 500 abductees are the only people who’ve got any real idea about all this 9-11 stuff. That includes 7/7 and 11/7 (date of Mumbai bombings by the way) - all evidence of an underground plot by a ‘shadow Zionist secret government’. Amongst other interesting points conjured forth were that the Royal family is descended from multi-dimensional Annunaki lizards (and ‘flaws’ in evolutionary theory prove it!) Riveting though this stuff is, it is, unfortunately, a load of bollocks.
On the other hand, the documented existence of a shadow world of CIA mounted black-ops and coups makes the idea that 9-11 was a ‘false flag’ operation seem within the realms of possibility. American intelligence has a long and bloody history of covert operations, instigating coups and funding opposition against those that challenge their authority. Coups such as the one on the less well remembered September 11th - 1973, when the CIA helped overthrow the democratically elected leader of Chile, Salvador Allende, and usher in a brutal military dictatorship. Doubts over 9-11, the cornerstone of the US’s ideological crusade, make it easier to appreciate that it’s just all in a days work for the US to fund and arm people like Saddam and the anti-Soviet forces in Afghanistan, which gave rise to Al-Qaeda.
The fact that these theories are catching on so widely is partly due to the huge growth of scepticism about the role of governments in the entire War on Terror™. In this country we already know that our government plotted the war on Iraq well in advance, lied about Iraq’s WMDs and engaged in a systematic propaganda campaign to support the invasion. We know that our government, in alliance with the US, is engaged in secret renditions, torture and aggressive war. Public awareness of the true nature of power has probably never been higher - and the fact that so many are willing to believe that the US government may have slaughtered its own citizens shows how the ideological ground is shifting. It’s not, in the end, the truth of the allegations but the effect they’re having that’s important.
The 9-11 truth movement clearly sees the anti-war crowd as fertile recruiting ground (maybe we should return the compliment). They argue that proving 9-11 a hoax should be the main focus of any faction opposing the Neo-Con-men. But in reality, whether or not 9-11 was orchestrated, we should be concentrating on the broader US-led capitalist agendas, and their catastrophic consequences. 9-11 was a symptom rather than a cause of a ‘big picture’ which doesn’t need science fiction to explain it. World power is not a neat pyramid structure with aliens, Jews or a cabal of men with a secret handshake at the top. It makes more sense to see a range of competing power blocks, alliances and cartels in a shifting, perpetual power play – with governments, nationalist and business interests doing what they’ve always done, battling for control of land, resources, workforces and populations. There is one conspiracy that doesn’t lurk in smoky rooms behind closed doors – it’s called global capitalism.
JUMP IN AT THE DEEP END...
** www.911truth.org ** www.911research.com ** www.whatreallyhappened.com/inside.html ** ** www.letsroll911.org ** ** Watch the movie made by an amateur on no budget: www.loosechange911.com ** For the British perspective see - www.nineeleven.co.uk and www.whatreallyhappened.com/london_exercise_video.html **
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There are some inaccuracies in the Schnews article, which I feel I must correct as they appear to be designed to undermine my position in the 9/11 Truth network.
"No stone was left turned, no subject demystified as Dave told us how aliens have been negotiating with our government and 500 abductees are the only people who've got any real idea about all this 9-11 stuff."
I have never said any of the above or anything remotely like it.
That includes 7/7 and 11/7 (date of Mumbai bombings by the way) - all
evidence of an underground plot by a 'shadow Zionist secret
government'.
After leaving office, President Theodore Roosevelt drew attention to the existence of a shadow or invisible government, based on his experience in office. Most obviously this is a conspiracy of hyper-capitalist interests like the oil industry and the arms industry and the Federal Reserve, a cabal of private banks who control the money flow and therefore the world's economy.
Are Schnews trying to tell us that the Zionists and the State of Israel play no part in the disintegration of a peaceful world? We only have to look at how Israel has largely got away with its assault on Lebanon to realise that is the case.
I hope Schnews journalists haven't made the mistake of the capitalist press and ventured opinions on subjects they have not researched, just for their own propaganda. There are a number of unanswered questions about 7/7, detailed in Mind the Gap.
"Amongst other interesting points conjured forth were
that the Royal family is descended from multi-dimensional Annunaki
lizards (and 'flaws' in evolutionary theory prove it!) Riveting
though this stuff is, it is, unfortunately, a load of bollocks. "
I didn't say the above either, although I have on occasions mentioned that David Icke has talked about this. It is not my view. On macro-evolution, Charles Darwin said that his hypothesis on the mutation of species would stand or fall on the discovery of fossils proving this. After 150 years of looking, not a single fossil has been found to support this hypothesis.
I've been to prison twice for my beliefs, been subject to what appear to be three attempts on my life in suspicious car accidents and find myself blacklisted -- all for standing up for the truth and exposing the intelligence services. If Schnews had campaigned in support of my efforts to expose the evil at the heart of the secret state, rather than custard pie-ing me the evening I received an award from Privacy International for my work defending civil liberties [Note: I added this - Annie], then several thousand innocent Afghans and over 100,000 innocent Iraqis might not be dead.
Until the truth of 9/11 and other false flag operations are exposed, the shadow government will continue to murder in the name of profit and pervert the democratic process through its ownership of the media and control of political parties by donation.
So why is Schnews spreading inaccuracies which work in the interests of this shadow elite at the very time we should be uniting to expose this evil? Why are they denying the existence of Zionism and attacking those risking death to expose the truth about MI5, MI6, Mossad and the CIA, especially when the evidence for that truth is overwhelming?
We need to learn the lessons of the failure of the mainstream and alternative left over the last 25 years, otherwise the innocent will continue to die. In that vein, I ask Schnews to come to any of our events to find out the truth and welcome working with all those who are trying to expose the New World Order or Capitalist elite, whatever you want to call them.
Dave Shayler
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=3751 
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Shayler fights the evolution menance.
11.09.2006 12:08
Fuck me what exactly do you sign up for with this 9/11 conspiracy bollocks. You seem to have to believe any thing as long as it's self evidently utter bollocks: faked moon landings, 7/7 conspiracy, aliens, lizards, creationism. Of course the conspiracy that keeps coming back like a bad smell is the mother of them all, anti-semticism. The idea that jews are controlling the world haunts all this other bollocks, but nazi's aren't allowed to state it openly any more so they use code words and insinuation.
No Platform for Fascists, do you remember that one. Time to put it back into practice.
What fucking planet are they on?
do you have to do that?
12.09.2006 01:16
Schnews accuses Shayler of being an Ike-a-like loonytune.
Round two
Shayler denies lizard hate but accuses Schnews of being allied with zionist secret government conspiracy, whilst questioning evolutionary theory.
Round three
Some one else accuses Shayler of anti-semitism
Conclusion
Now, now, children, be'ave!
Truth is Harvey Keitel told everyone in the fbi where he worked and cia that they had to kill OBL years before 9/11, but they had all these damned laws stopping them, and thats why the thing happened. To stop it happening again US have to get rid of awkward laws and be allowed to torture anybody in secret prisons just outside Slough.
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